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	<title>Comments on: Things they’d have difficulty believing in Salt Lake City XVIII</title>
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		<title>By: AV</title>
		<link>http://fivepublicopinions.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/things-they%e2%80%99d-have-difficulty-believing-in-salt-lake-city-xviii/#comment-1006</link>
		<dc:creator>AV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it the story that doesn&#039;t make sense, or my re-telling of it? (Both are possible.)  Anyway, these idiots are pandered to in the US because they are numerous enough to constitute a powerful voting bloc. So it is in the interests of Christian Right culture warriors to push the &quot;nasty-atheist-professor-persecuting-the-poor-meek-little-lamb-of-Christ&quot; meme, whatever price honesty and integrity.

The question I&#039;d like an answer to is this: why do self-professed Christians tell lies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it the story that doesn&#8217;t make sense, or my re-telling of it? (Both are possible.)  Anyway, these idiots are pandered to in the US because they are numerous enough to constitute a powerful voting bloc. So it is in the interests of Christian Right culture warriors to push the &#8220;nasty-atheist-professor-persecuting-the-poor-meek-little-lamb-of-Christ&#8221; meme, whatever price honesty and integrity.</p>
<p>The question I&#8217;d like an answer to is this: why do self-professed Christians tell lies?</p>
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		<title>By: ozatheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>ozatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9. OK, it&#039;s late, I&#039;m tired, I&#039;m BUI; but I think even in the sober clear light of day that story still won&#039;t make any sense.
Why do we pander to these idiots?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9. OK, it&#8217;s late, I&#8217;m tired, I&#8217;m BUI; but I think even in the sober clear light of day that story still won&#8217;t make any sense.<br />
Why do we pander to these idiots?</p>
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		<title>By: ozatheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>ozatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3. I read that article in the SMH about &#039;the family&#039; really quite scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3. I read that article in the SMH about &#8216;the family&#8217; really quite scary.</p>
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		<title>By: AV</title>
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		<dc:creator>AV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...and what is alt med but witchdoctory in a cheap tuxedo?&lt;/i&gt;

Depends on your definition of alt-med. If you include things like St John&#039;s Wort for depression (which in double blind placebo trials has been shown to be marginally, but statistically significantly more affective than the placebo to the same degree as most SSRIs) then no. Some alt-med in such cases is science based.

Same goes for things like glucosamine and chrondroitin, which both demonstrably ameliorate the symptoms of arthritis. Ginger re:high blood sugar, Ginkgo re:peripheral circulation and some impotence, Saw Palmetto re: prostate health (a lipid in Saw Palmetto berries is a DHT inhibitor and a mild aromatase inhibitor), Lycopene re: prostate health, soy isoflavones re: menopause and so on and so forth.

There is no formal demarcation around &quot;alt med&quot; which has allowed cowboys to operate on both sides of the debate. On one hand, marketing and hype surrounding homeopathy and &quot;scienciness&quot; has enabled snake oil salesmen to borrow from the respectability of research into similar (from the consumer&#039;s perspective) products.

Conversely, people with either a chip on their shoulder about anything alternative to drug company manufactured, or indeed, an interest in the drug industry, to engage in pseudo-skepticism. St John&#039;s Wort vs SSRIs is a classic example.

This of course doesn&#039;t save the supernatural-based, woo products and services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;and what is alt med but witchdoctory in a cheap tuxedo?</i></p>
<p>Depends on your definition of alt-med. If you include things like St John&#8217;s Wort for depression (which in double blind placebo trials has been shown to be marginally, but statistically significantly more affective than the placebo to the same degree as most SSRIs) then no. Some alt-med in such cases is science based.</p>
<p>Same goes for things like glucosamine and chrondroitin, which both demonstrably ameliorate the symptoms of arthritis. Ginger re:high blood sugar, Ginkgo re:peripheral circulation and some impotence, Saw Palmetto re: prostate health (a lipid in Saw Palmetto berries is a DHT inhibitor and a mild aromatase inhibitor), Lycopene re: prostate health, soy isoflavones re: menopause and so on and so forth.</p>
<p>There is no formal demarcation around &#8220;alt med&#8221; which has allowed cowboys to operate on both sides of the debate. On one hand, marketing and hype surrounding homeopathy and &#8220;scienciness&#8221; has enabled snake oil salesmen to borrow from the respectability of research into similar (from the consumer&#8217;s perspective) products.</p>
<p>Conversely, people with either a chip on their shoulder about anything alternative to drug company manufactured, or indeed, an interest in the drug industry, to engage in pseudo-skepticism. St John&#8217;s Wort vs SSRIs is a classic example.</p>
<p>This of course doesn&#8217;t save the supernatural-based, woo products and services.</p>
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		<title>By: arthurvandelay</title>
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		<dc:creator>arthurvandelay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They would probably also remind us that there would be several other factors at play in the Tanzanian story: namely poor access to proper health care. (I would add traditionalism and a lack of education, particularly human rights education. If someone wants to accuse me of being a Western cultural imperialist for saying that, they should take it up with those Western cultural imperialists in the Tanzanian government, who have condemned the killings of albino citizens and are providing them with police escorts.)

Anyhoo, as Brian Dunning pointed out in a recent episode of his Skeptoid podcasts, alternative medicine apologists--and what is alt med but witchdoctory in a cheap tuxedo?--will make a parallel case to that set out above: they cite the prohibitive costs of reality-based medicine (Skeptoid is a US podcast) as a reason for opting for untested snake oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They would probably also remind us that there would be several other factors at play in the Tanzanian story: namely poor access to proper health care. (I would add traditionalism and a lack of education, particularly human rights education. If someone wants to accuse me of being a Western cultural imperialist for saying that, they should take it up with those Western cultural imperialists in the Tanzanian government, who have condemned the killings of albino citizens and are providing them with police escorts.)</p>
<p>Anyhoo, as Brian Dunning pointed out in a recent episode of his Skeptoid podcasts, alternative medicine apologists&#8211;and what is alt med but witchdoctory in a cheap tuxedo?&#8211;will make a parallel case to that set out above: they cite the prohibitive costs of reality-based medicine (Skeptoid is a US podcast) as a reason for opting for untested snake oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1) That&#039;s just nasty. Absolutely horrifying.

When arguing generally with religion and/or woo, the &quot;supernaturalists&quot; (for a lack of a better word) a quick to remind us that they aren&#039;t all killers and assorted nasties and that exaggerations are being made. I think perhaps the opposite may possibly be the case, at least globally speaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1) That&#8217;s just nasty. Absolutely horrifying.</p>
<p>When arguing generally with religion and/or woo, the &#8220;supernaturalists&#8221; (for a lack of a better word) a quick to remind us that they aren&#8217;t all killers and assorted nasties and that exaggerations are being made. I think perhaps the opposite may possibly be the case, at least globally speaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Albinos und Wurzelgemüse &#124; DER MISANTHROP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albinos und Wurzelgemüse &#124; DER MISANTHROP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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