Australians are not racists . . .

20 12 2007

. . . and anyone who thinks otherwise is going to get smashed up the arse by about 30 Aussies.

UPDATE: See also New Lines From a Floating Life

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20 12 2007
jonolan

Australia in the years immediately following WW2 opened up their immigration policy in order to bolster their population. Now they’re watching as their culture is destroyed, run into the ground by rampage foreign influences. You really can’t fault the locals for their fears.

If it was any other group than the oh-so-protected Muslims, nobody would have heard of this incident. The Sikhs face the same pressures but nobody cares – as do others. Piss off a Muslim though…

20 12 2007
AV

Now they’re watching as their culture is destroyed, run into the ground by rampage foreign influences.

Australian culture destroyed by rampaging foreign influences . . . didn’t this already happen more than a century prior to WW2?

Besides, given that secularism is a vital element of Australian liberal democracy, the only threat to Australian culture being posed at Camden is that of Fred Nile and his fundies, who want the local government to preference Christianity over other religious persuasions. (There are Catholic and Anglican schools operating in Camden, for instance.)

You really can’t fault the locals for their fears.

Yes, I can. What possible justification could there be, in a supposedly enlightened and mature liberal democracy in the 21st century, for threatening violence against individuals simply because you disagree with their religious beliefs?

If it was any other group than the oh-so-protected Muslims, nobody would have heard of this incident. The Sikhs face the same pressures but nobody cares – as do others.

Tu quoque. If the Sikhs faced similar opposition and threats of violence from the peaceful, tolerant, welcoming citizens of Camden and from good Christians like Fred Nile, the point of my post would remain the same.

20 12 2007
jonolan

One – Why don’t you ask an Aborigine what his opinion on immigration is?

Two – With the large and steady influx of religious immigrants, how long can Australia expect to maintain that secular democracy. Democracies are very vulnerable to theocratic takeover; just look at my home, the US.

Three – Why fault them for their – IMO – valid fears? That just plays into the hands of the nation hating globalists. I’d suggest faulting them for their response to to their fears, but not the fears themselves.

Four – The Sikhs have experienced similar problems in other areas of Australia, but it rarely makes the news.

20 12 2007
arthurvandelay

Why don’t you ask an Aborigine what his opinion on immigration is?

What evidence do you have that Australian Aborigines are all of one mind on immigration?

With the large and steady influx of religious immigrants, how long can Australia expect to maintain that secular democracy.

Immigrants to Australia in 2006-07 by country of origin–top four: New Zealand (23,906), United Kingdom (23,223), India (13,496), China (12,009). Our entire intake from North Africa and the Middle East combined–not that it matters much to me–is still about 3,000 less than the intake from China alone. Where is this “influx” of which you speak?

Democracies are very vulnerable to theocratic takeover; just look at my home, the US.

Funny you should mention that. The biggest threat to secular democracy and the separation of church and state in Australia comes from the Christian Right (which has modeled itself on your Christian Right), who incidentally were represented at the Camden rally by the Rev. Fred Nile, leader of a Christian Right political party.

Why fault them for their – IMO – valid fears?

Because their fears are not valid. The presence of an Islamic school in their neighbourhood poses no threat to their freedom nor their safety whatsoever. There are Islamic schools in many Australian cities, and in no case has the establishment of an Islamic school resulted either directly or indirectly in terrorism on Australian soil. Indeed, the last act of what could conceivably be described as terrorism that Australian citizens have experienced on home soil was a firebombing campaign in the late eighties targeting Chinese businesses in Perth. The perpetrators were . . . (drum roll, please) . . . White Nationalists. And the only people threatening violence in the Camden case have been non-Muslim citizens of Camden!

Now, if the good folk of Camden don’t like the Islamic school, the solution is simple: they don’t have to send their kids there. If the school itself is behaving improperly or not meeting educational standards demanded of other schools, the government can close it down (as happened recently to a small Islamic girls’ school in Perth).

No, the folk of Camden who are kicking up a stink over this do not have a valid complaint. They just need to grow up and join the twenty-first century.

The Sikhs have experienced similar problems in other areas of Australia, but it rarely makes the news.

That isn’t my fault. If it were Sikhs instead of Muslims who were the subject of bigotry in Camden, my position on the issue would be precisely the same.

20 12 2007
ninglun

Thanks for the link. Especially as my post was actually quite religious, and seriously so. 🙂

20 12 2007
arthurvandelay

We may have approached this story from different angles, but the sentiment is the same, I believe.

20 12 2007
jonolan

You’re speaking of freedom and security; I’m speaking of cultural integrity. I believe the residents’ fear are for more basic than you seem to.

20 12 2007
arthurvandelay

You’re speaking of freedom and security; I’m speaking of cultural integrity.

“Cultural integrity?” Australia is a multicultural society, and has been for much of its history. You may not like it. Some of the folk of Camden may not like it. Most nowadays are mature enough to accept it. Leaving aside the indigenous population (and they are routinely left aside whenever discussions about “cultural integrity” arise), the presence of Chinese and Muslims in the Australian population predates the White Australia Policy. I myself am descended from southern European immigrants who arrived when the Australian government opened the floodgates to the non-Aryan hordes in the post-war period, and I see no reason to consider either myself or any of my relatives a security risk or a threat to the social fabric. We are as Australian as anyone else.

20 12 2007
arthurvandelay

I believe the residents’ fear are for more basic than you seem to.

That’s because their fears are irrational, especially if they are based on some idiosyncratic notion of “cultural integrity.” I’m not interested in cultural integrity–especially not when it is used as a code for “keeping Australia white.” I’m interested in the integrity of Australian secular liberal democracy. And I don’t believe that integrity can be maintained if Australia becomes the kind of society in which it is deemed OK to discriminate against people on the basis of their ethnicity or religion.

21 12 2007
The Worst of Perth

Cultural integrity my arse.

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